(Interview by Marie Mundaca.)
In her book There Are A Millions Stories in the Naked
City When You’re A Girl Who Gets Naked in the Naked City, writer Fiona Helmsley explores the tricky terrain of female friendship amid a
real sex-drugs-and-rock-and-roll lifestyle. Her tough vulnerability and lucid
style may remind some of 1990s ‘zine writing. It’s conversational and friendly,
and this is how she draws readers into her autobiographical stories about
working at a “jack shack” — a seedy gentleman’s club -- and her disappointment with
her well-endowed but impotent boyfriend. In the titular story, Helmsley writes
about the manipulative and destructive Renee, a drug user who loses her job at
a New York City rock club. After Helmsley recommends her for a job at the jack
shack, Renee turns on her by stealing clients and starting fights. Throughout
it all, Helmsley struggles to maintain her friendships and her clients. In the
tradition of Michelle Tea and Lisa Carver, Helmsley’s stories about life on the
fringes doesn’t titillate, but certainly illuminates. Her writing is naked in
every way possible — these stories are storms of bare emotions and bad sex.
Were you familiar with fringe writers who were sex workers
before you started doing it? I was wondering if you had anyone in particular
that inspired you?
I came from a punk rock background and at the time that I
started working, in the mid-nineties, a lot of the female artists in that
community were very open about their experiences doing sex work and were
actually incorporating those experiences into their art and identities as
artists. I think I had this idea of the sex industry as a sort of boot camp to
becoming a better artist because it was something that so many of the women I
admired had in common, women like Lydia Lunch, Courtney Love, Miranda July and
Kathleen Hanna. I think part of me was seeking out whatever it was they had
experienced in the hope that it would translate to making my own work better
down the line. As for specific writings about sex work, I know at that time I
had read Lisa Crystal Carver’s essay about being a prostitute in Rollerderby and Cookie Mueller’s story about go-go dancing in Walking
through Clear Water in a Pool Painted Black.
What was it that brought you to a place where you were
looking to do sex work? It’s not a choice for most women.
There were a
lot of reasons. I had just moved to NYC and was going to college, so in a
practical sense, the work paid the most amount of money while taking up the
least amount of my time. I could also do my schoolwork in the downtime between
sessions. I did use drugs, but it wasn’t my drug use that led me to seek out
the work -- though because I was making so much money, my drug use did increase
and I developed my first serious heroin habit while working at the place I call
LUV in my book.
But mostly it was my own sexual curiosity and lack of
confidence that inspired me to look through the job listings in the back of the
Village Voice. I came from a background where sex and the expression of sexual
desire were considered bad, shameful things. I didn’t know how to process my
own sexual desires because I viewed them through the filter of that shame. The
first sexual fantasy I remember having involved Mickey Dolenz of the Monkees essentially
raping me on the beach after we had played volleyball together. I mention in
the book how my primary sexual fantasy to this day involve force -- and that’s
connected to the shame I felt as a young girl first experiencing sexual desire.
If someone’s forcing you, you are not culpable for what’s happening. If I’m not
culpable, I’m not to blame and I’m still a good girl.
I had also just come out of physically awkward stage that
had stretched from most of my adolescence into early adulthood. I was not a
classically pretty girl, but I was smart and funny and those two qualities got
me guys, but it was never instantaneous. For so long, the men in my life had
related to me as the smart, funny friend and then, all of a sudden they were
seeking me out as this actually desirable sexual partner based on my
physicality, not my personality. It fucked with my definitions about myself.
Why did all of these hot guys suddenly want to fuck me? Was I really sexually
desirable? I think part of my
motivation for seeking out sex work was to find out how complete strangers
would react to me as some kind of reassurance that I had actually made the
switch from not to hot. And would these strangers want me so badly they would
be willing to pay? It’s really fucked up, but I think I was seeking out some
kind of validation through retail value.
Later, I would come to realize that success in the sex
industry really has nothing to do with your physicality. Of course men have
their physical preferences, but financial success at a place like LUV had the
most to do with your ability to project confidence and make a client feel
comfortable with his own sexual desires. If that Jennifer Love Hewitt movie
“The Client List” got anything right, it was that. Over and over, I saw women who
were not conventional attractive make money because they could do those two
things.
I remember seeing those ads in the Village Voice that you
mention in your book, about just being “your fun, playful self.” Once you
called them, how was the job described to you?
I met with Allison, who was the phone girl in one of the
session rooms for an interview. She had told me nothing over the phone. She had
me fill a little card of my job-related experience and checked my ID. I think I
said I’d been a stripper, I hadn’t -- but I had gone with a friend when she had
interviewed for a job dancing so I knew what it was like in case she asked. She
didn’t. She was very cryptic as to what the job actually involved, but she had
to be, in case I was a cop. She did say there would be dirty talk and some
light S&M. I found out about
the wank part when I did my first session with another girl -- but I wasn’t
naïve. I knew for almost $300 an hour there had to be more than dirty talk
going on.
How much pressure was put on you to do more?
Girls really set their own limits, though I can say for sure
the majority of the girls there did not have sex, they was a camaraderie and we
did talk. The girls who were having sex had their own clients who did not see
other girls and never met with us in the meeting room. There were two girls working there
while I was there who made their own hours and only came in to work when they
had clients to see, then left when they were done--unlike the rest of us who
had to stay and work full eight hour shifts. We were really sort of segregated,
based on the freedom they enjoyed that we didn’t. We all knew they were fucking
their clients, but it was sort of hush-hush and you really got this vibe you
weren’t supposed to talk about it. It was some sort of arrangement those girls
had made with the owner, who owned in-house escort services in other parts of
the boroughs.
There were clients who got off on testing girls limits and
one time in particular is forever engrained in my mind because the client was a
well known, bald Italian artist who had been good friends with Andy Warhol. He
came to LUV all the time-meaning he knew what to expect and what to expect was
not blowjobs. The girl was new and foreign and he somehow managed to stick his
dick in her mouth. He slunk out mid- session, got into the elevator and left. A
few minutes later, the girl came out of the session room hysterical. The owner
came down and gave her a few hundred dollars and she never came back. The
artist was supposedly banned but he was back booking sessions a few weeks
later.
Now that you’ve worked straight jobs and non-straight
jobs, do you see a difference between them?
Working straight jobs you have much more
job security and protection. Like I just mentioned, the artist was allowed back
after what he had done. In the sex industry, the owner’s profit is usually much
more important than you are as a person and empathy and understanding tends to
be non existent in the owner/worker relationship. In the straight world, you
also tend to make some sort of hourly wage on top of any commission or tips you
might make. At LUV, if you didn’t book a session you were given five dollars at
the end of the shift and that five dollars was an anomaly for the industry. As
pathetic as five dollars for working eight hours is, LUV was the only place
I’ve ever heard of giving out anything besides what you made yourself.
The sex industry is a place where you can make incredible
amounts of money one night and jack shit the next. It really is in industry that demands fiscal responsibility
if you are to survive because you can never predict when and even if the next
payday will come. Many girls
worked eight-hour shifts and ended up with only that five-dollar bill at the
end of the night.
We also had to constantly be on alert for the police. The
way you were supposed to get around that was by asking the client to ‘get
comfortable’ in the session room- ‘get comfortable’ meaning ‘remove your
pants’. There was this idea that if the client were a cop, he would be
resistant to taking his pants off.
But I have heard plenty of stories were the client had gotten more than
comfortable, then busted the girl anyway, so it was by no means a foul-proof
system.
Did the managers foster competition? Was there anyone who
was particularly nurturing? I just always think there’s going to be a house mom
who’s really nice and brings cookies, but I’m probably delusional.
The phone girls were in charge when out boss wasn’t there,
which was most of the time. Allison had been an escort, gotten busted and
became a phone girl--which is sort of a strange move to make because its the
phone person who gets in the most trouble when a bust occurs, so she was
actually putting herself in a more precarious position. Maybe she felt she could
control the likelihood of a bust happening because she was the one now
screening the clients. She did play favorites and some girls would kiss up to
her, but there really wasn’t much she could do in the way of punishing or
rewarding you financially, because most clients met all the girls on staff in
the meeting room and then made their own decision as to who to do a session
with. So whether Allison liked you or not you could still make money. The other
phone girl was a young African American girl named Veronica who also did
sessions with clients. There were times the door buzzer would go off and no
client would come into the meeting room. We knew that that meant Veronica had
taken the session herself. When that happened, if the phone rang, she would
have to run out of session to answer it -- which meant when she did sessions,
sometimes the phone didn’t get answered at all, meaning we all lost money
because she wasn’t booking clients.
You make a point of getting along with everybody and your
friend ruins it for you. After she left were you able to get back to where you
were?
I always try to get along with everybody, in spite of what
some people may think. I’ve always been more curious about people than
suspicious of them, even when I was doing drugs. I like characters, so as much
as Renee drove me insane, I did enjoy certain aspects of being around her, if
only to see what she would do or say next. She was one of those people who are
immensely fun to talk about but very hard to be around. It’s very easy for me to
detach around people I do not like-but some people will not allow that, they
demand that you react to them and will keep upping the ante until you do. It
may be how they remind themselves they are alive. Renee was one of those
people. But after she left, I was fine. Things went back to normal, as normal
as they can be in a place where you are put into very intimate situations with
complete strangers (I’m counting co-workers, too) within moments of meeting
them--but a human can adapt very quickly.
I’m almost reassured that I was able to do the work, because I view it
as a skill that I will always have. I know that if I am ever in a dire
financial jam, I have a skill I can utilize that will bring me money quickly.
Sex industry work is almost like a ripcord I can pull.
You write about it in such a matter of fact way. You don’t
romanticize it or demonize it -- it’s just a job. Was it like you thought it
would be?
Going into it, I really had no expectations, only hopes. I
hoped I would be able to handle the work and I hoped the clients would want my
companionship. It takes a lot to freak me out and like I said, I’m very
curious. If a man wants me to sit on the make shift toilet he totes with him to
LUV every Wednesday and pee on his face, fine because if he and I end up with a
rapport, I’m going to ask him why he wants me to piss on him and I’m going to
get paid as I ask my questions.
That was one of the great things about doing the work, getting to ask
questions, it was like doing investigative work in the field of human behavior
while wearing a tight spandex dress and garter belts and stockings. (The man
with the portable toilet had been held down and peed on by a female friend when
he was nine years old and had his first real orgasm as it happened, forever linking
the two events in his mind.)
There are some aspects of the industry that I do miss.
There’s an almost refreshing honesty to sex work. Here’s what I want, here’s
what I’m willing to give you to get it. The
financial aspects of those relationships tend to negate the manipulations you
find in non-paid, casual sexual relationships. Because money is exchanging
hands, people are less likely to engage in douchebaggery and play games.
In retrospect, how do you think about your time there?
I met some nice guys and I met some uber assholes. I feel
that I definitely gained insight into the male psyche. Men no longer intimidate
me--it’s hard to explain, but I feel much more comfortable in a group of
strange men than I do a group of strange females. And that’s because male
manipulation tends to be sex-based, to come from the groin. Female
manipulation, on the other hand, is a whole other can of unknowable worms.
(Marie Mundaca is a literary critic and book designer living in New York City.)
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